Oct
05

MMA sucks, traditional martial arts suck more, Part Two

By Wim

I hadn’t really intended to write a second part to this “MMA sucks!” post but the amount of reactions I’ve received pushed me to it; so it’s all your own fault!

Seriously, I seem to have given the impression that I dislike MMA. Despite having clearly stated otherwise, this is still the response I got the most. So I’ll repeat it: I have nothing against MMA, at all. On the contrary, if I had more time, I’d resume my shootfighting training because I enjoyed it immensely. What’s more, I have tremendous respect for everybody who steps into the ring, cage or onto a lei tai. Those who haven’t fought full contact (I don’t care which rules, it all hurts)  don’t know what they’re talking about and should at the very least respect the courage these athletes show. Which brings us to my first point:

Pressure testing

Over at Neil’s blog, somebody commented on his MMA post and said this:

I agree with what you say “What works, works.” the rub is how you KNOW it works or not. The traditional arts you espouse lack aliveness, they lack pressure testing, and their students do not KNOW if they can perform the techniques, nor do they KNOW the technique will work of they do.
The training methods are faulty. Embrace it, change the way you train, be a better Martial Artist for it.

This is a classic argument against TMAs and one that I can only half agree with. First what I disagree with:

The argument is based on a false premise: Some TMA schools lack anything resembling pressure testing. Many other schools have a variety of ways to do so. So it’s a statistical issue more than anything else: it depends on which traditional schools you see. Some of the schools I trained at had an insane amount of pressure testing with all-out sparring and no limits to the techniques you could use.  There was no protective gear either; they thought gloves and shin guards were for wussies.

In contrast, I’ve also seen watered-down MMA programs implemented in commercial dojos to increase the income stream. There was no pressure testing at all and the techniques were taught in the same robotic fashion as their traditional arts. Had these people entered a class of that traditional school, they would have been humiliated by the traditional folks, using nothing but their old-school techniques.

So let’s say it’s way too easy to look at a handful of traditional schools and MMA gyms and then make a blanket statement like that.

Context is king

Here’s the part where I agree with that statement. I mentioned this in the first part and it’s one of the traps traditional folks fall into:

You cannot take a traditional art out of it’s historical/cultural context and expect it to work in another one. Like I said, 500 years ago in China is not the same context as today in the suburbs. You can’t just switch these around and think they’ll work flawlessly.

But there’s a flip side to this: Your art was perhaps developed back then and made you devastatingly lethal. But that doesn’t mean you can get those same skills by just going through the motions today. The training methods and concepts will be closed to you until you take your training to a deeper level. What you need most of all is a deep understanding of what violence is. This isn’t out of your reach by default, it largely depends on your environment and past experience.

Basically, there are a only a couple of ways you can get this understanding, which is the common denominator of all the martial components of traditional martial arts :

  • Live in a society where violence is a daily occurrence, a fact of life.
  • Failing that, have experienced the physical and psychological effects of violence in your past. The more experience, the more understanding you’ll have.
  • If that isn’t your case either, you’ll need to study, train hard and go through as much pressure testing and scenario training as you can.

Fortunately, most of us live in a society where violence is if not rare, at least not something you face on a day-to-day basis. Sure, you might read or hear about it, but it doesn’t happen to you every single day. As a result, most of us fall into that last category, the ones who have to train hard to get that understanding of what real-world violence is actually like.

The traditional practitioners I mentioned before are all guys who know violence intimately. Either because of where they live or because of their profession. They don’t need pressure testing because they get that enough in their daily lives. They understand the realities of violence on a gut level and play for keeps.

If there is anything missing in the way traditional martial artists view their practice, it’s often just that: a lack of comprehension of what violence entails. Because if they would know just a fraction of what happens out there, they would train a whole lot harder than they do. In contrast, most MMA gyms understand the need for the rough training to prepare a fighter for the Octagon. And that’s where the discord often starts.

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7 Comments

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Great writing…:)

I agree with the “pressure testing” concept…:)

Like different types of contact, pressure testing, is the same way.

Some people really don’t know what hard contact really is. And some don’t know what real pressure testing is.

As an instructor, to pressure test a student you have to find the right balance between too much pressure and not enough pressure.

The same thing goes for contact. Many students think they want hard contact, and then when they get it, a lot of them want to quit.

But if you hit them too light, some of them develop a false confidence.

I personally don’t like safety gear…it makes people over confident and many times lazy. Without gear, if you block wrong, then you know real quick. And having an arm or leg slightly bruised in a dojo is a lot better then having it broken/sprained on the street.

I think you can do a traditional martial art with some modern drills and get the best of both worlds. But you have to keep the drills challenging.

The traditional ways of working basics and proper breathing, are much more important than most think. Those things just aren’t taught and explained, the right way.

Anyway…great blog bro…:)
Frank “pancho” Garza

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Thanks Bro and thanks for stopping by. You’re right about people not knowing what contact really is. And cranking it up makes lots of them pick up their marbles and go home. I always try to increase it in small increments over a longer time period. To give them time to adapt. But even then, you still get guys who just call it quits when they’re not even close to some serious contact.

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Hi Wim,

As a lifelong martial artist who has worked as a Patrol Deputy, Detective, Defensive Tactics Instructor and ultimately as Special Agent in the US Secret Service I can tell you that your comments are right on. I have been teaching a segment called “MMA will get you killed against the blade.” We regularly confirm the statement that “Two beats one on the ground.”

You do not want to go to the ground! I tire of the number of mythological statistics that 90% of all fights go to the ground. My experience shows that sloppy drunks fighting go to the ground. People who are knocked unconscious go to the ground. Individuals that fall prey to multiple attackers such as high/low attack scenarios go to the ground. Suspects that are arrested using control/defensive tactics go to the ground to be cuffed. At know time does a police officer who is serious about his craft or a civilian responding to a self-defense situation want to go to the ground “with the suspect.”

Good law enforcement officers and martial artist alike will train in ground defense skills, but not with the goal of a submission. The goal is to survive the attack using any soft targets that are available, that is all those that are against the sport martial art rules, and recover to a superior position on his/her feet. This allows the trained officer to be aware and respond to secondary risk and the citizen the best opportunity to escape the conflict. This type of situational training is imperative.

I only recently started reading your blog. You are spot on with your comments. I was fortunate enough to have been a part of a very physical traditional school where protective equipment was almost non-existent. That together with wrestling gave me a good foundation that has continued to develop with my lifelong training that benefits from the real world views I along with other professionals have been privileged to have along with knowledge shared by many talented professionals like yourself.

Keep it up.

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Hi Mick,

Thanks for the feedback and your kind words. It’s great to hear from your perspective as bot ha martial artist but more importantly, a life spent in law enforcement.

That myth of all those fights going to the ground is probably going to be the hardest thing to kill. Because people see it in MMA matches so it must be real in the street too?! Then I shake my head, try to explain and get a typical response like “Brock Lesnar would kick your tai chi master’s ass in the street!!!!” Which is when I give up and walk away. :-)

I was fortunate that in the Chinese arts I started in, there is virtually no ground fighting. It was instilled in me that you never wanted to go to the floor. If you did, your only goals was to get back up. to this day, that’s my focus. Arts focused on ground work are great, I love what they do. But on the street, I’d rather do something else. Like running fiercely. :-)

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Brother Wim
I am not a martial artist so I really cant comment on that aspect. But I watched a guy try to shoot in and take an old cowboy to the ground. Old man reached down and ripped the kids cheek off his face.So I would agree with all of yall. I really have to agree with Pancho if you dont train to take a hit whats gonna happen if you do get popped. Its a whole new world when that happens

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I am going to go in a totally different direction here. I don’t think there is anything “wrong” with any Martial Art as long as you clearly understand what you are getting into or buying. But, so many don’t have the knowledge or understanding of this, and I think that is the real problem.

Lack of Knowledge.

Even Martial Artists don’t seem to understand what is Sport, or what is Real Combat. How are we to expect the unknowing public to understand any of this, when we who are in it can’t agree on this? Martial Arts are good, but all things are not the same.
Danny

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Clint, sounds like the kid learned an important lesson that day. A painful one too.

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